(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[NZ]SZ[19]KM[8.00]TM[3600]OT[5x30 byo-yomi]
GN[Redmond Cup Junior Division - Round 3 - 2008 US Go Congress - ]PW[Hugh Zhang]PB[Andrew Huang ]WR[6d]BR[5d]DT[2008-08-05]EV[Redmond Cup Junior Division - Round 3]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Troy Wahl]C[odnihs [5k\]: is the game starting yet?
USGO10 [-\]: no
odnihs [5k\]: when's it start?
USGO10 [-\]: in a moment
odnihs [5k\]: yay ^_^
USGO10 [-\]: Welcome to the Redmond Cup Junior Division - Round 3.
USGO10 [-\]: This is the tie breaker for the title.
lubricated [5k\]: thank you for hosting this USGO10
ScottV [6k\]: very exciting
lubricated [5k\]: yes, lets all try to learn something from this gam
lubricated [5k\]: game*
acmh7 [2k\]: how old are the players ?
USGO10 [-\]: And we are off...
lubricated [5k\]: if you really want, acm, i can check online for you but i have crappy dsl
]RE[W+9.00]
;B[cp]C[acmh7 [2k\]: wherecan it be checked ?
Arkavon [11k\]: Why do you have DSL?
Arkavon [11k\]: Do we know either of these players?
]
;W[pq]C[Almdudler [3d\]: these kids are kewl
lubricated [5k\]: i would just google their names
EeqMCsq [2k\]: isnt thsi yesterday game?
Arkavon [11k\]: Are they also on KGS?
lubricated [5k\]: my internet is down, i'm connecting thru the phone cable in the wall lo
Almdudler [3d\]: I love you lub
]
;B[dc]C[lubricated [5k\]: really
acmh7 [2k\]: so, anybody knows the age of the players ?
]
;W[pd]C[DeathAce [3d\]: really young
DeathAce [3d\]: not teenager yet
ketchup [5k\]: junior division..
gsage [12k\]: i think theyre 11 each
USGO10 [-\]: yes
tsukiakari [6k\]: is this live?
DeathAce [3d\]: yes
USGO10 [-\]: yes
acmh7 [2k\]: thx gsage
]
;B[eq]C[tsukiakari [6k\]: they're really taking their time :/
lubricated [5k\]: fuseki is very important, tsu
Almdudler [3d\]: are they european or asian?
Confuse24 [3k\]: the same situation came in my simul wonder how he deals with it
Capsule [3d\]: both are asian
Almdudler [3d\]: ><
lubricated [5k\]: both are asian
lubricated [5k\]: look at their names lol
USGO10 [-\]: They are both american
Capsule [3d\]: Chinese-American.
Almdudler [3d\]: strongest players this age in europe are about 1k-1d
Hagalaz [4k\]: what age is this?
ketchup [5k\]: almdudler, are you sure about that?
syllable [1d\]: andrew huang is about 12
Andd [8k\]: really o_O
]
;W[ce]C[Almdudler [3d\]: at least those who go to tournaments ~~
DeathAce [3d\]: isnt andrew canadian?
Capsule [3d\]: i only know that hugh zhang plays on KGS
Capsule [3d\]: dont know about andrew
Almdudler [3d\]: what acc?
XY0908 [-\]: What's the percentage of non-Asian junior players, USGO10?
Capsule [3d\]: sume
Almdudler [3d\]: hahaha
Almdudler [3d\]: kgs 3d aga 6d?
DeathAce [3d\]: how many differnent USGO accs are there?
USGO10 [-\]: don't know XY0908
Lifestream [-\]: lol
odnihs [5k\]: i thoguht andrew was 11?
ketchup [5k\]: donvalley?
odnihs [5k\]: thought*
ketchup [5k\]: is that andrew?
DeathAce [3d\]: yeah donvalley
odnihs [5k\]: yeh
Capsule [3d\]: look through his games, he beats 5d taking White and such
]
;B[cg]C[Capsule [3d\]: also...do you really think a 10-year-old will care about his KGS rank? =)
Lifestream [-\]: yes
XY0908 [-\]: I don't.
Andd [8k\]: yes
Capsule [3d\]: only the sad ones.
Capsule [3d\]: they will be losing their hair very young.
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Andd [8k\]: not worry but i find kids to be very competitive
]
;W[ed]C[ketchup [5k\]: i dunno, im not too sure they'd be that strong
ketchup [5k\]: if they really cared
acmimc [5d\]: I often lose to sume, he is quite strong
BADatGO [18k\]: so how is this game being broadcast to here?
XY0908 [-\]: more so among grown-ups.
USGO10 [-\]: one click at a time...
Capsule [3d\]: what a shame, they are missing the takemiya lecture
ketchup [5k\]: badatgo, usgo10 is watching live and showing through here
XY0908 [-\]: That comment was to Andd.
odnihs [5k\]: sume is hugh?
BADatGO [18k\]: oh wow
Lifestream [-\]: helloo xiliang liu :-\]
tsiki [1d\]: if they care about what kind of pokemon card they've got i'd imagine they care over jsut about anything
BADatGO [18k\]: thanks usgo10
]
;B[dd]
;W[de]C[acmimc [5d\]: who are you? Liftstream?
]
;B[ee]C[ketchup [5k\]: tsiki, not all 10 year olds are the same :)
]
;W[ef]
;B[fe]
;W[dg]C[Lifestream [-\]: i am your new friend
Guanyin [3k?\]: 10 year olds are people too
]
;B[dh]C[tsiki [1d\]: yes, that was in response to the comment by Capsule
Guanyin [3k?\]: ;)
]
;W[eh]
;B[di]C[XY0908 [-\]: You are my new friend too, LS.
]
;W[ei]C[Andd [8k\]: is this joseki?
TanGeng [1d?\]: wow they play fast
]
;B[dj]C[Capsule [3d\]: so far yes Andd
Dusty [15k?\]: looks like it.....
]
;W[eb]C[Lynx [2d\]: It's not that they stop shopping.
silver2k4 [-\]: aga 6d is just egf 4d maybe
Lynx [2d\]: It's that they always find new old clothes.
DreamN [5k\]: wat is egf?
BADatGO [18k\]: epic guy fail
]
;B[bc]
;W[ec]C[acmimc [5d\]: think hard 
Lifestream [-\]: not new xy sir ;-\]
tromp [-\]: never seen b17 before
Almdudler [3d\]: hmmh
Almdudler [3d\]: we left the secure waters of joseki ~~
]
;B[be]
;W[cd]C[Lynx [2d\]: b connects!
acmimc [5d\]: Who could Lifestream be, I think hard
Capsule [3d\]: this is good for white
Lifestream [-\]: haha
]
;B[cc]C[Dusty [15k?\]: c17
]
;W[bd]C[Dusty [15k?\]: =D
]
;B[cf]C[Andd [8k\]: didn't expect  that
]
;W[df]C[acmimc [5d\]: Mr Wang?
]
;B[ad]C[Lifestream [-\]: you dont know me brother xiliang ;-\]
]
;W[bf]C[TanGeng [1d?\]: wow
ketchup [5k\]: capsule is takemiya giving a lecture right now?
TanGeng [1d?\]: this is really bad for black
]
;B[ae]
;W[bg]C[Capsule [3d\]: yes ketchup, i am listening to it right now, imo full of lies lol
]
;B[ch]C[Lifestream [-\]: this is joseki
Lifestream [-\]: not bad tangeng
]
;W[ff]C[Lifestream [-\]: c18 
ketchup [5k\]: lol i like his words
Lifestream [-\]: for w
pwoner [3d\]: this is not aso bad
Lynx [2d\]: this is like almost joseki
TanGeng [1d?\]: really?
]
;B[ge]C[Lifestream [-\]: g15 c18 
Lifestream [-\]: a18 
]
;W[cb]
;B[ab]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: wow
sensei418 [9k\]: where is the lecture at?
]
;W[db]C[Prodigious [4d\]: These two know their joseki
Lifestream [-\]: yeah
EagleHelm [11k\]: you're good lifestream
Capsule [3d\]: in the main ballroom sensi
]
;B[bh]C[pwoner [3d\]: i prefer b here
XY0908 [-\]: LifeStream, please don't tell them what to play.
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Woodstock [-\]: i like white
Lifestream [-\]: haha
EagleHelm [11k\]: lol
Lifestream [-\]: ;-\]
DreamN [5k\]: w lost, better resign
]
;W[bb]
;B[ac]C[ketchup [5k\]: unexpectedly simply comment got me to laugh 
purpose [3k\]: this is such a badass joseki, and this guys are almost one third of my age ..
ketchup [5k\]: simple*
Capsule [3d\]: h17
ninjaheart [-\]: hugh and andrew are both 11
EagleHelm [11k\]: really?
ninjaheart [-\]: ya
]
;W[hc]C[pwoner [3d\]: if b gets g4 its sooo painfulo for w
pwoner [3d\]: g14*
silver2k4 [-\]: now live feet would be fun
Lifestream [-\]: this is wrong order
EagleHelm [11k\]: thats so awesome
Lifestream [-\]: should hav pushed first g14 
ketchup [5k\]: is it just these two playing?
Lifestream [-\]: then jump
acmimc [5d\]: what a joseki, I say b is much better here
ketchup [5k\]: how does it work out this way?
]
;B[gf]C[pwoner [3d\]: owww
Capsule [3d\]: g14 is big.
Lifestream [-\]: now b better
Prodigious [4d\]: Should have pushed at G14 first
XY0908 [-\]: purpose; the best way of memorizing josekis is not memorizing. Just follow your 'good reading skill'.
purpose [3k\]: and b punishes !
EagleHelm [11k\]: i think this joseki is very shiny
Woodstock [-\]: yeah, black is better after G14
Capsule [3d\]: yes i predicted the mistake move =)
acmimc [5d\]: the goup of w is short of liberty
ketchup [5k\]: lol
TanGeng [1d?\]: this turn is really important
Lynx [2d\]: ketchup! My favorite KGS icon!
Prodigious [4d\]: Capsule too strong
ketchup [5k\]: im a kgs icon?
acmimc [5d\]: it will become a burden
ketchup [5k\]: since when?
Lynx [2d\]: hell-yeah :)
TanGeng [1d?\]: the direction of black running looks bad
ketchup [5k\]: no way!
ketchup [5k\]: but hellos lynx
Lynx [2d\]: you're the guy lynx always talks to! ^^
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Capsule [3d\]: lol 20 minutes into the lecture and Takemiya finally uses the board
TanGeng [1d?\]: but now, black is much safer
EagleHelm [11k\]: the only one taking who isn't a kgs icon is me
Lifestream [-\]: O_O
ketchup [5k\]: we exchange hellos, but that's about it!
EagleHelm [11k\]: *talking
]
;W[gi]C[Lynx [2d\]: hey there ketchup kgs-icon
Lynx [2d\]: kgs-star
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Lifestream [-\]: rofl
acmimc [5d\]: G13
Woodstock [-\]: F12
EagleHelm [11k\]: i like f12
Lifestream [-\]: i dont like w at all here
TanGeng [1d?\]: f12?
EagleHelm [11k\]: it prevents the bamboo joint
Richdad [5d\]: this looks like joseki
Lifestream [-\]: no
TanGeng [1d?\]: but white would just connect
Richdad [5d\]: isnt this joseki?
EagleHelm [11k\]: then f11
Lifestream [-\]: not anymore richdad
Richdad [5d\]: when did it deviate?
Lifestream [-\]: d18 was not joseki
acmimc [5d\]: First G13, then J16 to build a wall, then J11 kill
Lifestream [-\]: and h17 was a mistake
Lifestream [-\]: should have g14 
Equitsumei [-\]: after the turn, b takes clear advantage . .
Lifestream [-\]: then h17
]
;B[gh]C[Lynx [2d\]: b tesuji
EagleHelm [11k\]: wow
IgoCRAZY [9k\]: f12 
acmimc [5d\]: If b H11, then B E10
Equitsumei [-\]: w spo iled, .
ketchup [5k\]: doesnt this hurt black?
]
;W[ej]C[acmimc [5d\]: H11
EagleHelm [11k\]: already happened
DreamN [5k\]: h11 looks weak
ketchup [5k\]: no it didnt.. eaglehelm 
]
;B[ek]C[Richdad [5d\]: w clearly bad now
EagleHelm [11k\]: oops
EagleHelm [11k\]: i saw g thought h
]
;W[fk]C[acmimc [5d\]: B is not so happy here
]
;B[fg]C[Lynx [2d\]: w is losing points
]
;W[eg]C[Lynx [2d\]: this is like the time ahmed broke his hip doing bird impressions
EagleHelm [11k\]: lets all agree that this is ridiculously complicated
Capsule [3d\]: lolwut?
]
;B[fl]C[Capsule [3d\]: disagree, this is simple.
Andd [8k\]: what are the time limits?
BadDuke [4k\]: No profit in attacking G14 for white?
Almdudler [3d\]: nyuuuu y3
]
;W[el]C[ketchup [5k\]: profit is huge wall which is always beautiful to have
]
;B[dk]C[BADatGO [18k\]: the time limit is 60:00
]
;W[gk]C[BADatGO [18k\]: playing so fast time doesnt move
ketchup [5k\]: lol
]
;B[fm]C[Lynx [2d\]: but ketchup w does not have a strong wall from this
kmr [1k\]: black group little bit weaker than white but black made big profit on left side
EagleHelm [11k\]: is this the finals?
BADatGO [18k\]: tie breaker
ketchup [5k\]: talking about black lynx
Tsuijin [1d\]: how many games do these two have to play each other?
Lynx [2d\]: not drunk
ketchup [5k\]: never are :)
kuikentje [5k\]: black made such a nice profit there
]
;W[hi]C[Lynx [2d\]: was once ;-)
ketchup [5k\]: lol
kuikentje [5k\]: now white can attack though
USGO10 [-\]: It is best 2 out of 3
EagleHelm [11k\]: the weird thing is I know don valley
TanGeng [1d?\]: who won the first game?
ketchup [5k\]: jigo is good then
TanGeng [1d?\]: they played one already right?
USGO10 [-\]: I don't know how many games they played to get here
Beanbag [2d\]: game strangely even
acmimc [5d\]: W is now at an attacking position
ketchup [5k\]: http://www.usgo.org/naim/band-matrix/12
ketchup [5k\]: tangeng, 2
ketchup [5k\]: this is deciding game
TanGeng [1d?\]: ahh
TanGeng [1d?\]: white gets an attack
Capsule [3d\]: takemiya: "so that is how you win the game right, having the most territory?" audience: "yes..." takemiya: "but that is not the case!"
csgo [?\]: j15?
TanGeng [1d?\]: in exchange for 50 points
ketchup [5k\]: capsule, play the move you want to play! always
TanGeng [1d?\]: ridiculous
USGO10 [-\]: b has ~46 minutes, w ~50
acmimc [5d\]: Can not say that
EagleHelm [11k\]: takemiya is soo cool
Jeromin [10k\]: I'd go for j15 
BadDuke [4k\]: So one of the high Dans should tell us how they would deal with G14 group as black and why.
Capsule [3d\]: haha, are you in the ballroom ketchup?
BADatGO [18k\]: capsule, did he really say that?
ketchup [5k\]: naw capsule, i wish
Capsule [3d\]: oh
Capsule [3d\]: :(
acmimc [5d\]: the lower left coner is not part of the exchange
ketchup [5k\]: he said the same thing with the first game review he did
Lynx [2d\]: I'd very carefully attack it and exploit its weakness, BadDuke.
Lynx [2d\]: Not to hard a question.
Capsule [3d\]: lol
Lifestream [-\]: so how do you win games?
]
;B[hh]C[kuikentje [5k\]: can you be more specific =)
EagleHelm [11k\]: how about jumping out?
omundsoj [6k\]: black should attack g14? interesting.
TanGeng [1d?\]: white white
EagleHelm [11k\]: wow
]
;W[ih]C[ketchup [5k\]: the one where he was commenting on the gusprice v mingjiujiang game
omundsoj [6k\]: but he asked what should b do :p
Beanbag [2d\]: b wants to bea ble to play j16
Capsule [3d\]: the guy in front of me is wobbling back and forth, sleeping.
ketchup [5k\]: lol
TanGeng [1d?\]: yeah I thought the press would be good for black
Capsule [3d\]: i should throw an ing stone at him.
ketchup [5k\]: i like his message though, it's hopeful to players like me :)
Andd [8k\]: after the hane b seems to lack momentum
Lynx [2d\]: What do you mean more specific?  The only *fun* is figuring it out yourself, kuikentje.
kuikentje [5k\]: ^_^
purpose [3k\]: Lifestream: you need to play moves that can reach your heart
Beanbag [2d\]: b will have momentum if gets j16
]
;B[ig]C[Lynx [2d\]: The basic premise is to attack while exploiting weakness.  To learn more, read my book.
]
;W[jg]C[BADatGO [18k\]: lol
Capsule [3d\]: where can i buy your book Lynx, amazon?
Lynx [2d\]: Yes.
EagleHelm [11k\]: what is the title?
Capsule [3d\]: ok brb
ketchup [5k\]: send me one for free :)
Lynx [2d\]: sure thing ketchup :-)
XY0908 [-\]: double hane.
purpose [3k\]: (it's a quote from a takemiya book I got here ^^)
ketchup [5k\]: i'll share my kgs-star status with you haha
kurikuri [4k\]: this looks like black can do something with f11 and j11
]
;B[jf]C[silver2k4 [-\]: this double hane is heavy
lubricated [5k\]: triple hane xD
kurikuri [4k\]: triple hane 
EagleHelm [11k\]: lots of hanes
Capsule [3d\]: hane again!
BadDuke [4k\]: Peanut butter and hane
TanGeng [1d?\]: no just a double hane
ketchup [5k\]: cant believe black turned out this way..
kurikuri [4k\]: l14 l14 l14
]
;W[if]C[lubricated [5k\]: i know, i'm saying white should triple hane
apachai31k [-\]: theres death in the triple hane
ketchup [5k\]: what happened to the beautiful wall he was going to makee
]
;B[hg]C[manakem10 [5k\]: gone with the ... stones
]
;W[jh]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: how did white to this?
EagleHelm [11k\]: *do
ketchup [5k\]: with black g12
nickwasy [12k\]: doesn't "there's death in the hane" refer to life-and-death? that would be one heck of a problem
Capsule [3d\]: lol wow, takemiya points out all the joseki move that could be played except the korean one.
EagleHelm [11k\]: i wish i was this good
XY0908 [-\]: In three years, EagleHelm.
BADatGO [18k\]: so i guess no one likes takemiya
EagleHelm [11k\]: i think black is dead
TanGeng [1d?\]: I think black has lots of space to run
kuikentje [5k\]: yes
Andd [8k\]: well capsule doesn't
kuikentje [5k\]: but white will probably make more profit from that group before it is fully settled
Capsule [3d\]: no way, i like takemiya ^_^.
Andd [8k\]: just don't like his lies XD
EagleHelm [11k\]: i plan on going to congress next year so it better be in dallas
]
;B[je]C[Capsule [3d\]: congress next year is in washington DC
omundsoj [6k\]: gross
Andd [8k\]: it's i DC
omundsoj [6k\]: texas?
kikos [9k\]: realy?
BadDuke [4k\]: I'm sure they will take your preferences into account.
Capsule [3d\]: i'm sure they will, just gotta sneak in some $$.
Andd [8k\]: lol
]
;W[kc]C[Capsule [3d\]: takemiya: "hey! go is a fun game, righttt?" audience: "....yes..."
EagleHelm [11k\]: what is so great about DC?
ketchup [5k\]: DC is great
ketchup [5k\]: i can drive there!
Andd [8k\]: yeah it is
Sigilus [19k\]: That's like what Takemiya said yesterday
apachai31k [-\]: how is takemiya's english?
Capsule [3d\]: he's not speaking in english, im just typing what the translator is saying.
apachai31k [-\]: oh
holynec [2k?\]: is he commenting live now? :\]
Capsule [3d\]: yes.
Azeral [?\]: Is there a feed?
ketchup [5k\]: holy nec has rank!?
Capsule [3d\]: no...or at least, none that im aware of.
BadDuke [4k\]: Maybe the translator is making stuff up.
EagleHelm [11k\]: so jealous!
Beanbag [2d\]: whats all this about takemiya
Beanbag [2d\]: he is at the game commenting?
ketchup [5k\]: no he isnt making it up.. he really says that stuff, it's win
Capsule [3d\]: he is giving a lecture on....well, i don't know.
holynec [2k?\]: what did he say about b17?
holynec [2k?\]: oh
]
;B[me]C[Beanbag [2d\]: i wish someone would videotape this stuf and post it on youtube like they do in europe
USGO10 [-\]: No Takemiya is not commenting this game.
Azeral [?\]: There is EuroGoTV.
BadDuke [4k\]: I wish they published Go books for the Kindle.
ketchup [5k\]: beanbag, they will most likely
]
;W[qk]C[Capsule [3d\]: yoshi sawada looks braindead, maybe he could have been a better translator.
ketchup [5k\]: lol people seem to love yoshi
Capsule [3d\]: yes, i like his translating.
Capsule [3d\]: the translator now is just...not as funneh.
Beanbag [2d\]: b has many cash so.. hard to say
lemmming [7k\]: enlighten me pls, what are you talking about?
ketchup [5k\]: one of the rooms im in "ALL HAIL YOSHI!! MAEDA's INTERPRETER", as the topic
Beanbag [2d\]: i kinda like the w position more tho
ketchup [5k\]: im still sad black lost the potential wall
Beanbag [2d\]: b had a potential wall?
EagleHelm [11k\]: white just made a chinese?
gareth [3k\]: black has territory and white has power.  :)
]
;B[id]C[TheCaptain [4d\]: seems like b ahead
ketchup [5k\]: i thought he did, when he was pushing around those e12 stones
Beanbag [2d\]: captain would prefer b
ketchup [5k\]: but that dream didnt come true :(
BadDuke [4k\]: All hail the Captain
]
;W[ic]C[Almdudler [3d\]: captain, do you take students?
BadDuke [4k\]: And where do you take them?
TheCaptain [4d\]: no...i wouldn't do such an injustice to them...
Capsule [3d\]: takemiya approves of strong go players bullying weaker players.
Beanbag [2d\]: he takes em out to sea
ketchup [5k\]: k10 to make opponent mad!
]
;B[jp]C[Beanbag [2d\]: k10 wont make anyone mad
EagleHelm [11k\]: k10 is too close to strength
holynec [2k?\]: lol
BadDuke [4k\]: When I play Go I'm at sea most of the time already.
ketchup [5k\]: in my head it would, which is all that matters :)
Batavia [5k\]: if you play k10 make sure to put your stone down very loudly
ketchup [5k\]: indeed
EagleHelm [11k\]: my computer only has one stone volume
ketchup [5k\]: obviously turn your speakers up as they play it
BadDuke [4k\]: They should at that feature. Control click to play stone with emphasis.
Rossk [-\]: can't w threaten to kill k15 group?
BadDuke [4k\]: *add
USGO10 [-\]: Hugh looks like he is counting
BadDuke [4k\]: Got his shoes off?
michka [1d\]: so, resign soon 
]
;W[mp]C[michka [1d\]: this k4 is so good
Almdudler [3d\]: r17 sexy now
BadDuke [4k\]: Sexy to get under a star?
Capsule [3d\]: Yilun Yang 7p and Gus Price coming in to watch.
Beanbag [2d\]: takemiya or this?
Capsule [3d\]: take
holynec [2k?\]: is yilun yang playing in any tourneys this congress?
Capsule [3d\]: yes..Ing Master.
ToughNerd [12k\]: How is Gus doing?
ketchup [5k\]: hard opponents..
ketchup [5k\]: not so well.
Beanbag [2d\]: is there simul to participate in?
Capsule [3d\]: gus is 0-2 in the ing
EagleHelm [11k\]: ing lost to Feng yun
Almdudler [3d\]: gus is zetsumei?
gblitz [1d\]: i guess r17 ?
ketchup [5k\]: yes
Capsule [3d\]: zetsumei/tabemasu
]
;B[po]C[Almdudler [3d\]: duh
]
;W[qp]C[USGO10 [-\]: b has 30 minutes, w 43
]
;B[oq]C[Capsule [3d\]: empty triangle
holynec [2k?\]: fill it with water!
EagleHelm [11k\]: for whom?
gblitz [1d\]: b
Beanbag [2d\]: if cut b gona sac q5
purpose [3k\]: according to masao kato in his chinese fuseki book the correct move here is o5 not p5 ^^
]
;W[pp]C[holynec [2k?\]: o5? where
holynec [2k?\]: when
purpose [3k\]: instead of p5
Capsule [3d\]: p5...was never played.
holynec [2k?\]: yeah... lol
Suicide [7k\]: so who won the 'gas game'?
Beanbag [2d\]: its gona be played tho
Capsule [3d\]: maybe O5 here
]
;B[op]
;W[oo]C[Capsule [3d\]: oh
purpose [3k\]: then w has to defend with o4 and black can follow up with q7 for good shape
EagleHelm [11k\]: really?
purpose [3k\]: I read this book a couple of month ago, and I remember I found this sequence so wierd hehe
EagleHelm [11k\]: q7 good shape?
Capsule [3d\]: just o5
]
;B[no]
;W[on]
;B[np]C[purpose [3k\]: and indeed when you look at the result here it's not great for w
EagleHelm [11k\]: i like this much better
purpose [3k\]: for black sorry
]
;W[nn]C[ketchup [5k\]: n2
Beanbag [2d\]: its good for b tho. huge teritory
EagleHelm [11k\]: mega moyo!
charkysan [5k\]: mm
]
;B[mo]
;W[mn]C[purpose [3k\]: I guess it's ok for b, but it still make the w stones work at full efficiency here
Capsule [3d\]: white doesnt have enough i think
]
;B[lo]C[Khouphrane [5d\]: then w 014
Khouphrane [5d\]: O14
EagleHelm [11k\]: o17?
sentience [-\]: n13 
charkysan [5k\]: w is thinner behind his wall than b is, so a move on the upper right is called for to make invasion difficult
jared [1k\]: has W H16 forcing move been mentioned?
]
;W[km]C[ketchup [5k\]: n13 and safe!
gblitz [1d\]: r17?
zkaje [7k\]: L7 could be painfull 
zkaje [7k\]: 4 moyo
EagleHelm [11k\]: r17 is sucky
rs220675 [1k\]: can white still invade into blacks moyo?
ketchup [5k\]: lol r17 probably good.. it's going to be played
ketchup [5k\]: better for black to do it
zkaje [7k\]: white can 
EagleHelm [11k\]: but then white gets another wall
Tower [3d\]: looks like black will win
EagleHelm [11k\]: really tower?
Almdudler [3d\]: r17 is damn big, but w n13 is too painful
zkaje [7k\]: but b can invade that time bigger
ketchup [5k\]: walls too hard to use here..
EagleHelm [11k\]: Tower: is your favorite number 13?
apachai31k [-\]: r17
Beanbag [2d\]: b should go to n13 and then w wont be able to go there anymore!
zkaje [7k\]: b n13
]
;B[pf]C[Tower [3d\]: Q16 is still way open, N15 is alread out into whites area, and blacks bottom left is at least as big as white's right
zkaje [7k\]: oh
gblitz [1d\]: r17 ends sente doesn't it
Almdudler [3d\]: w00t
Almdudler [3d\]: cu-ut ~~~
]
;W[hd]C[ketchup [5k\]: gblitz depends on what white does
]
;B[he]C[Gay [4d\]: 3d shouldn't be suprised about that move 
purpose [3k\]: white missed the point imo, playing around q14 was way more urgent ..
Almdudler [3d\]: I r a noob
zkaje [7k\]: oh
ketchup [5k\]: he can choose to give up a few more points for sente no?
EagleHelm [11k\]: o13?
Panda123 [5k\]: can someone tell me who won between ming and the other player this morning? i missed the end
zkaje [7k\]: h15 was open...
Tower [3d\]: ming lost
zkaje [7k\]: strange
Panda123 [5k\]: awwww
Panda123 [5k\]: haha x_
Panda123 [5k\]: he did by how much
Tower [3d\]: yeah i always root for the pros for some reason
Tower [3d\]: 5
ketchup [5k\]: ?
Suicide [7k\]: aww
Panda123 [5k\]: i was up to where h15 was a good move
ketchup [5k\]: the naim or the useopen?
Panda123 [5k\]: how much did he lose by
EagleHelm [11k\]: m13 
ketchup [5k\]: us open*
Panda123 [5k\]: or resign?
Tower [3d\]: oh i dunno
Tower [3d\]: he lost to Koh by 5 though earlier
Panda123 [5k\]: 5 points?
Tower [3d\]: yeah
Beanbag [2d\]: ming was playing against a nother pro wasnt he
Tower [3d\]: not sure if it was open or naim
Panda123 [5k\]: this morning u mean right
Over9k [5k\]: naim
Panda123 [5k\]: it was 7p vs 3p
Tower [3d\]: oh no, this was just recently
ToughNerd [12k\]: resign in US open 5 points in Ing
ketchup [5k\]: panda, this morning he resigned
Suicide [7k\]: 'naim'?
Panda123 [5k\]: oh icic
Panda123 [5k\]: thanks you
ketchup [5k\]: the north american ing masters was resumed a while earlier
Panda123 [5k\]: ah ic
Suicide [7k\]: national amateur something something?
kuikentje [5k\]: ming lost a big group if I understood things correctly
]
;W[nc]C[ketchup [5k\]: they had to postpone yesterday night because of a gas leak check or something
Panda123 [5k\]: yeah 
EagleHelm [11k\]: North American Ing Masters NAIM
ketchup [5k\]: ok now n13 is great
zkaje [7k\]: r15 r11
Suicide [7k\]: ah, ok
]
;B[nf]C[Suicide [7k\]: thx Eag, I owe you a teacing game ^_~
EagleHelm [11k\]: I look forward to that
USGO10 [-\]: Time b 23, w 38
ketchup [5k\]: cant owe me a teaching game?!
ketchup [5k\]: bah!
Over9k [5k\]: i need a teaching game...
zkaje [7k\]: i need one too
Panda123 [5k\]: i like how these "junior" division kids r all like 6d's...sigh 
apachai31k [-\]: who doesnt?
Beanbag [2d\]: u should give teaching game each other
Suicide [7k\]: I'll...come back to you 5k's?
ketchup [5k\]: apachai, just out of curiosity, is that a new clan on kgs? 31k clan? hah
Over9k [5k\]: lol
Suicide [7k\]: it should be
apachai31k [-\]: no
Tower [3d\]: white's gotta do something about that bottom i think
ketchup [5k\]: or just a bunch of you thinking 31k is cool so you added to name?
zkaje [7k\]: its hard to give a teachin game
Lifestream [-\]: lol
Over9k [5k\]: 9k is def the best rank to be in a name
kyuboy [9k\]: junior division?
kyuboy [9k\]: it an age set?
kuikentje [5k\]: I wish I could be a 31k
EagleHelm [11k\]: j6 looks painful
apachai31k [-\]: :/
EagleHelm [11k\]: h6 soes too
Tower [3d\]: or J5
zkaje [7k\]: h5 better
kuikentje [5k\]: even if I try, I can't force myself to play like one
Tower [3d\]: but H4 or something might be possible
zkaje [7k\]: h6 i mean
Suicide [7k\]: wonder why so many players wanna be beginners again?
ketchup [5k\]: n2 k3!
EagleHelm [11k\]: j5 k6 
Panda123 [5k\]: obviously A1 wins the game omg.
kuikentje [5k\]: I find myself being excessively cruel when I try to learn my family members the game :/
Wishes [10k\]: haha
]
;W[nh]C[Beanbag [2d\]: g6 
Suicide [7k\]: it's just not kibitz without a corner point >.<
Over9k [5k\]: no way contrary to popular belief k9 is actually better than k10
Tower [3d\]: wow
syllable [1d\]: ko!
Go0oOOo0Oo [2k\]: why is it called Redmond cup Michael Redmond isnt dead isnt he
Beanbag [2d\]: if on btom is g6
Suicide [7k\]: usually a1...
zkaje [7k\]: when u give a teachin game i learn at the same time
Suicide [7k\]: Redmond died in sente
ketchup [5k\]: ... what..?
Over9k [5k\]: lol
syllable [1d\]: redmond is maybe forty
syllable [1d\]: and alive
EagleHelm [11k\]: m13 is eye
Suicide [7k\]: poke one of his eyes out, he'll die
ketchup [5k\]: no need for eye now
syllable [1d\]: perhaps forty-five
ketchup [5k\]: points is nice
Over9k [5k\]: points are nice
ketchup [5k\]: naw points is nice
apachai31k [-\]: j7
EagleHelm [11k\]: r12 
zkaje [7k\]: r11
points: hi
kuikentje [5k\]: hahaha
ketchup [5k\]: hi, you is nice
Over9k [5k\]: lol
charkysan [5k\]: if b wants to preserve the chance to invade the corner, he will extend down, not up, from q14
ketchup [5k\]: :)
Suicide [7k\]: F12 is big...
manakem10 [5k\]: hello points, long time no see
ketchup [5k\]: does q11 work?
ketchup [5k\]: i think it should be fine.. but no points :/
points: :(
Beanbag [2d\]: f12 makes w bad aji
kuikentje [5k\]: black has plenty of points
Beanbag [2d\]: f12 no good
Suicide [7k\]: bean, if b goes there?
kuikentje [5k\]: now should go and bother white
ketchup [5k\]: black has miai
]
;B[mh]C[ketchup [5k\]: godly godly miaiaia
Almdudler [3d\]: eh
Almdudler [3d\]: I doubt this is good
Beanbag [2d\]: if b go there ? b not go f12
Beanbag [2d\]: oh i was thincing about f10
charkysan [5k\]: the cure for miai is to get opponent to pass
Suicide [7k\]: yeah
Beanbag [2d\]: but no b dont go f12 either
Suicide [7k\]: lol
]
;W[mi]C[Beanbag [2d\]: f12 nobody
Suicide [7k\]: no, not unless he gets cut
zkaje [7k\]: whats the aji of f12?
ajistorm [1d\]: b is well in the game
]
;B[mg]C[Beanbag [2d\]: f12 bad caus w want to reduce at g6
ketchup [5k\]: q11
EagleHelm [11k\]: j7 
]
;W[li]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: such a pretty move
Suicide [7k\]: I like h7 over j7
apachai31k [-\]: w is close to resigning
zkaje [7k\]: h6 i think the best
zkaje [7k\]: in that area
Suicide [7k\]: j7 leaves a bad cut
EagleHelm [11k\]: h7 for black
ketchup [5k\]: k6 still best
ketchup [5k\]: shoulder hit always best!
csgo [?\]: r16
Over9k [5k\]: cappy the best
Suicide [7k\]: j7 for b
Beanbag [2d\]: g6 is best cause it uses e8 stone
benoit [2k\]: on R ?
Beanbag [2d\]: u want to make stones all function
benoit [2k\]: R16 or R11
EagleHelm [11k\]: tell andrew to get on kgs lol!
]
;B[ph]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: sorry ment j7 misclick
EagleHelm [11k\]: *meant
Suicide [7k\]: lol
ketchup [5k\]: is r17 really that bad ?
koowled [-\]: is the game still going?
Andd [8k\]: who won?
]
;W[hm]C[Suicide [7k\]: for whom?
ketchup [5k\]: black
EagleHelm [11k\]: no
benoit [2k\]: G5
Suicide [7k\]: doesn't it die...or ko?
Beanbag [2d\]: h7 XD
EagleHelm [11k\]: it lives
ketchup [5k\]: dont see how it dies
Suicide [7k\]: hey, I was right :D
USGO10 [-\]: Hugh (w) shook his head before playing that
ketchup [5k\]: thank you usgo10 for the comments
EagleHelm [11k\]: r15 is pretty
zkaje [7k\]: Beanbag what the sequence: G6, G7
apachai31k [-\]: just h6 and its basically over
]
(;B[oi]C[Beanbag [2d\]: w try to get both h7 and p11 i guess
Go0oOOo0Oo [2k\]: i dont think this is a good strategy for w too simple
kuikentje [5k\]: well he's not getting p11
Suicide [7k\]: w P10?
ketchup [5k\]: o9
csgo [?\]: g6
EagleHelm [11k\]: O9
omundsoj [6k\]: too late to invade lower left?
Beanbag [2d\]: w need to keep reducting bottom
mianreg [10k?\]: yes
ketchup [5k\]: white has too much work now
ketchup [5k\]: so very hard to do everything at once
kuikentje [5k\]: hmm, but isn't white's own territory more open than black's, beanbag?
Beanbag [2d\]: and win ko at r17 
EagleHelm [11k\]: white can't make anything in the bottom
Go0oOOo0Oo [2k\]: if b strenghtens his bottom he will win easily
EagleHelm [11k\]: he can only reduce black
Beanbag [2d\]: hm ko threts
zkaje [7k\]: Beanag explain pls how g6 could use e8
USGO10 [-\]: W is looking in the h5 region
zkaje [7k\]: Beanbag sorry
charkysan [5k\]: looks like w is behind on cash, so he needs to play some severe reduction, like G4 area?
]
;W[hq]C[apachai31k [-\]: uh h3 or something
Beanbag [2d\]: caus it loers libs on f7 and thats useful if b try to cut u
benoit [2k\]: nice
EagleHelm [11k\]: what?
benoit [2k\]: poker game :-)
mianreg [10k?\]: legitimately aggressive ^^
kuikentje [5k\]: showtime
EagleHelm [11k\]: most definitely aggressibe
ketchup [5k\]: f6 next?
apachai31k [-\]: just j7 before wouldve ended it
Go0oOOo0Oo [2k\]: this isnt possible
herreros [11k?\]: thats great
EagleHelm [11k\]: overplay maybe?
BattousaiX [-\]: interesting move
Over9k [5k\]: overplay is powerplay
ketchup [5k\]: this is decent, it can work..
mianreg [10k?\]: for sure, but let's see what b does :o)
omundsoj [6k\]: i think it will work
BattousaiX [-\]: nicely said over9k ^^
benoit [2k\]: psychology of go
Beanbag [2d\]: j7 before and w would close off the p11 are a i guess
EagleHelm [11k\]: h5 
Beanbag [2d\]: j7?
Almdudler [3d\]: NYUUUU <3
benoit [2k\]: xho tgins h'es winning ?
Beanbag [2d\]: u mean like g6 or something right
Suicide [7k\]: H5
charkysan [5k\]: if h3 lives, w will be ahead, i think
]
;B[iq]C[zkaje [7k\]: no
EagleHelm [11k\]: h5 the obvious cut
apachai31k [-\]: beanbag j7 threatened to come in 
ketchup [5k\]: h5 bad
Over9k [5k\]: 4 legs good
Beanbag [2d\]: not really
BattousaiX [-\]: i like this move 
apachai31k [-\]: yes really :/
firewater [2d?\]: nice
]
;W[ho]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: h5 would be strong
]
;B[hr]
;W[gq]C[Beanbag [2d\]: j7 w respond but j7 would be outnumbered apachai
ketchup [5k\]: for black? no..
USGO10 [-\]: Hugh is quiet fidgity today - picking up stones putting them down etc
Beanbag [2d\]: the sequence ends sente for w
apachai31k [-\]: huh
omundsoj [6k\]: well, that wasn't too hard
benoit [2k\]: Q9
Suicide [7k\]: isn't that how you play go?
charkysan [5k\]: this makes sense.  if going to allow the invasion, b may as well take cash while w gets reduction but no cash of his own
Over9k [5k\]: lol suicide
]
;B[fo]C[zkaje [7k\]: o9
EagleHelm [11k\]: yay for opiate for the masses!
Suicide [7k\]: p10
EagleHelm [11k\]: p9 
BattousaiX [-\]: not p10
EagleHelm [11k\]: for black
ketchup [5k\]: m16
]
;W[qe]C[Suicide [7k\]: if not p10, o9...
Beanbag [2d\]: looking like w made a profit from this 
]
;B[qf]C[zkaje [7k\]:  b o10
EagleHelm [11k\]: sorry the SE system cannot compute the score of this game
Suicide [7k\]: r14 bigger
zkaje [7k\]: or w o9
EagleHelm [11k\]: thats great
BattousaiX [-\]: o10 or o9
BattousaiX [-\]: to protect 
USGO10 [-\]: time b 13:49, w 30 minutes
Suicide [7k\]: SE broken anyway
Saikrepta [4k\]: 09 looks good
zkaje [7k\]: o9 not o10
charkysan [5k\]: i don't get r14.  isn't it smaller than p9?
EagleHelm [11k\]: no
ketchup [5k\]: black feels slow to me..
Beanbag [2d\]: yea o10 alous b to go q9 huh
EagleHelm [11k\]: black gets pure territory
ketchup [5k\]: p11, r14..  i dont understand
Suicide [7k\]: charky, r14 blocks r13...
]
;W[gr]C[Suicide [7k\]: or s13
ketchup [5k\]:  i hope he tenukis here
zkaje [7k\]: isnt o10 sente
zkaje [7k\]: for b
USGO10 [-\]: Andrew Sighs
EagleHelm [11k\]: o11 
zkaje [7k\]: g2 strange
charkysan [5k\]: true, but b is alive anyway, and isn't going to get  a lot of cash on the side, right?
Suicide [7k\]: yes, but b is currently in gote
zkaje [7k\]: is g2 so big?
Zeid [2d\]: yeah
]
;B[pr]C[ketchup [5k\]: q7 and p9 combo any good for black?
Suicide [7k\]: g2 j2 d1
EagleHelm [11k\]: monkey jump
]
;W[qr]
;B[or]C[Beanbag [2d\]: big muve
Suicide [7k\]: w j2
apachai31k [-\]: p10 now
Beanbag [2d\]: r14 was big also tho
EagleHelm [11k\]: not p10
EagleHelm [11k\]: p10 is badd
apachai31k [-\]: lol
apachai31k [-\]: if u say so
Beanbag [2d\]: r14 creating aji at r17 again
Suicide [7k\]: j2 k2 d1
BattousaiX [-\]: i personally don't like p10
pwoner [3d\]: p9
Zeid [2d\]: p10?
Zeid [2d\]: not the move now
EagleHelm [11k\]: o9 
charkysan [5k\]: this sequence increased the aji of q5
apachai31k [-\]: p10 is the biggest move on the board
Zeid [2d\]: something around c2 maybe
EagleHelm [11k\]: p9 leaves a field to escape through
charkysan [5k\]: especially if b plays r1 in endgame
]
;W[dq]C[ketchup [5k\]: o9 is cut easily..
Suicide [7k\]: o.o
zkaje [7k\]: o9 for w
Beanbag [2d\]: p10 would be terible muve
BattousaiX [-\]: hehe interesting move
zkaje [7k\]: uncutable
charkysan [5k\]: now we will see why even the low shimari with both stones on the 3rd line is invadable
Sigilus [19k\]: I would have thought monkey jump here also
GrandYan [-\]: If someone played p10, I'd think it was genius.
BattousaiX [-\]: monkey jump? too early 
EagleHelm [11k\]: white is desperate?
Suicide [7k\]: zkaje, it's cuttable, but the cut dies ^_~
ketchup [5k\]: eaglehelm count
BattousaiX [-\]: desperate? i wouldn't think so
ketchup [5k\]: white playing very good moves
zkaje [7k\]: kk^^
Saikrepta [4k\]: p10 leads to cut and then sequence is bad for white
USGO10 [-\]: Andrew reachs to play, then changed his mind ... sighs 
zkaje [7k\]: b e2 whats next
ketchup [5k\]: reductions that hurt , is sad :(
charkysan [5k\]: c3 
]
;B[dp]
;W[er]C[Suicide [7k\]: d2
]
;B[dr]C[Suicide [7k\]: f2
]
;W[cq]C[nouziller [2k\]: googresponse
Suicide [7k\]: O.o
BattousaiX [-\]: lol
firewater [2d?\]: why I can't move stones backwards?
BattousaiX [-\]: it's a demo
Over9k [5k\]: clone
GrandYan [-\]: firewater, use View Offline or clone the game
firewater [2d?\]: o, than you
Suicide [7k\]: firewater...nvm, GY beat me
]
;B[cr]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: this is a trick play
]
;W[bq]C[Zeid [2d\]: ?
Beanbag [2d\]: stones cant move forwards either
ketchup [5k\]: that doesnt work because of f2?
GrandYan [-\]: You killed yourself, Suicide. Don't blame me.
sentience [-\]: w want ko?
nouziller [2k\]: no
Beanbag [2d\]: or sideways or diagonal
Suicide [7k\]: of course xD
apachai31k [-\]: b shouldve tenukied after e2
Richdad [5d\]: e4
unknown22: E4 seems solid
zkaje [7k\]: w wants e4
]
;B[ep]C[USGO10 [-\]: b has 10 minutes, w 26:40
EagleHelm [11k\]: does this mean white has the corner?
Suicide [7k\]: f3
Zeid [2d\]: no
nouziller [2k\]: no
USGO10 [-\]: both sigh...
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Suicide [7k\]: w dies on the left, Eag...if all goes well xD
ketchup [5k\]: yesterday they were a lot more talkative
]
;W[fr]C[Saikrepta [4k\]: white looks dead in the corner, right?
BattousaiX [-\]: why do they sigh? 
]
;B[br]C[ketchup [5k\]: today's game seems to be killing them both
Suicide [7k\]: yep, w's dead
nouziller [2k\]: w w ants aji
]
;W[nk]C[BattousaiX [-\]: yay
mianreg [10k?\]: anybody does :oP
EagleHelm [11k\]: yay!
EagleHelm [11k\]: i was right
Saikrepta [4k\]: that was big
Suicide [7k\]: nice, ends in sente
Kenjiro [1k\]: seems white won
EagleHelm [11k\]: now p10
BattousaiX [-\]: ends in sente?
BattousaiX [-\]: how so?
Saikrepta [4k\]: they're about even right now
Suicide [7k\]: the corner
Suicide [7k\]: for white
BattousaiX [-\]: ah
Aldor [1k\]: o10
ketchup [5k\]: saki i think white ahead
Zeid [2d\]: sente xd??
Beanbag [2d\]: r17
ketchup [5k\]: black should probably try r17 now..?
EagleHelm [11k\]: r17 is dead i think
mianreg [10k?\]: no
BattousaiX [-\]: not really sente, he just tenuki because it seemed like it failed :P
mianreg [10k?\]: white corner anyway
Suicide [7k\]: tenuki in sente is strong >.>
Beanbag [2d\]: r17 is what b plaed r14 for.
EagleHelm [11k\]: p9
]
;B[qc]C[nouziller [2k\]: b could make a ko
]
;W[pc]C[Woodstock [-\]: it was the best he could get, battousai and i think it's a good sequence for white
]
;B[re]C[BattousaiX [-\]: ooo
]
;W[rd]C[Suicide [7k\]: r16
odnihs [5k\]: huh?
ketchup [5k\]: hmm
]
;B[qd]C[just9x9 [-\]: didnt both player already play yesterday?
]
;W[rc]C[ketchup [5k\]: yes
]
;B[pe]
;W[qb]C[ketchup [5k\]: it's a best out of three
just9x9 [-\]: o i see, thx
just9x9 [-\]: and its 1-1 i suppose
ketchup [5k\]: yep
Kenjiro [1k\]: q9 
EagleHelm [11k\]: p9 
GrandYan [-\]: Sorry, dumb question - later on, when White plays d1, suppose Black responds, where does Black respond? b1?
congogress: R1 looks kinda big
Beanbag [2d\]: d1 responded to at b1
trebleclef [4k\]: r11
GrandYan [-\]: Thank you, Beanbag.
ketchup [5k\]: b1 is the dan play
EagleHelm [11k\]: p9 
]
;B[pk]C[Kenjiro [1k\]: :)
Beanbag [2d\]: tenuki is the play
Saikrepta [4k\]: r8?
sentience [-\]: q8
EagleHelm [11k\]: q8 
just9x9 [-\]: c1 is the kyu play ;)
]
;W[ql]C[Suicide [7k\]: q10?
Saikrepta [4k\]: with q8 there is cut
Beanbag [2d\]: c1 is ko.. it shouldnt be anyones play
EagleHelm [11k\]: q8 
just9x9 [-\]: sure ko, but happens i guess
zkaje [7k\]: r10
EagleHelm [11k\]: q8 
Beanbag [2d\]: hopefully only once in your go playing career
Suicide [7k\]: I respond to d1 at b4
just9x9 [-\]: yes ;)
Suicide [7k\]: but that just makes ko threats
Ag [6k\]: w-lotsa cash in the bank
myspersson [8k\]: is it true
kemedo [4k?\]: yes, im not understanding wich ko you are talking about
EagleHelm [11k\]: cash?
just9x9 [-\]: d1 c1 a2 e1 b1 
Woodstock [-\]: d1 c1 a2 e1 b1 this ko
Zeid [2d\]: d1 c1 a2 e1 b1 
Suicide [7k\]: Eag - almost certain territory
]
;B[qj]C[kemedo [4k?\]: tnx
]
;W[rj]
;B[qi]C[Ag [6k\]: yes
]
;W[ri]C[Woodstock [-\]: btw shouldn't cash by outside the bank?
]
;B[rh]C[Woodstock [-\]: be*
charkysan [5k\]: q8 
Saikrepta [4k\]: yeach
kemedo [4k?\]: but b4??
USGO10 [-\]: b has 5 minutes left, w 24:30
ketchup [5k\]: black needs amazing yose now..
kemedo [4k?\]: ok
kemedo [4k?\]: end game
Beanbag [2d\]: this game is NZ rules?
Suicide [7k\]: if you want to waste it on something frivolous...
Woodstock [-\]: ing rules i'd say
logicg8 [5k\]: ing rules, NZ is the closest thing kgs has
zkaje [7k\]: b lost
Suicide [7k\]: looks like W+ to me
fsong2 [1d\]: d1 b just b4
Ag [6k\]: b needs major invasion or kill
Zeid [2d\]: 7k no idea
ketchup [5k\]: zeid, what's your count?
Suicide [7k\]: fsong, that's what I said, but that makes ko threats, no?
Zeid [2d\]: b wins 
Zeid [2d\]: w seems big
Lynx [2d\]: b has a clear advantage
Zeid [2d\]: but is not ..
Lynx [2d\]: like rosemary
ketchup [5k\]: i want count..
]
;W[ir]C[ketchup [5k\]: i dont trust my own..
]
;B[jr]C[robertm [2d\]: game not decided yet, lots of yose to be played
]
;W[hs]C[Tower [3d\]: wow i go to pick up dinner
Tower [3d\]: and now blacks bottom is gone ?!
Suicide [7k\]: bye tower
zkaje [7k\]: 2d so clever
zkaje [7k\]: lol zeid
Zeid [2d\]: lol?
Niouth: smart is better clever is like diabolic
Kenjiro [1k\]: s2 
charkysan [5k\]: q8 
ketchup [5k\]: if black doesnt q8..
Cioran [6k\]: i'm sry, what's the difference between NZ andjapanese rules ?
EagleHelm [11k\]: r5?
EagleHelm [11k\]: for aji?
diabolic: how so??
ketchup [5k\]: aji is there without adding a stone
firewater [2d?\]: N17
Beanbag [2d\]: japanese rules is the one where u count open spaces on the board
just9x9 [-\]: NZ counting is like chinese
firewater [2d?\]: N17, O18
GrandYan [-\]: Diabolic is good. 
charkysan [5k\]: by living on the bottom, w made a b cut above that meaningless
]
;B[pl]
;W[pm]C[Ag [6k\]: I can't argue with 2d-but 
Beanbag [2d\]: all the other rules u count those spaces and all ur stoans also
Cioran [6k\]: ok
EagleHelm [11k\]: except in nz every dame is .5 moku to each player
Beanbag [2d\]: but japanese rules u count captured stoans and u dont on the other rules
Shana [3d\]: meh my count says w is ahead xD
]
;B[si]C[ddrt [18k\]: ... so the game is over and this is majorly review?
]
;W[js]C[mianreg [10k?\]: in NZ u don't count captured stones ?!
Cioran [6k\]: u don't count captured stones in chinese rules ?
Beanbag [2d\]: no. cause u count noncaptured stoans
Ag [6k\]: and komi=8
Gay [4d\]: Shana you mean SE?
BattousaiX [-\]: no
Suicide [7k\]: l1?
zkaje [7k\]: b n17
Shana [3d\]: no
just9x9 [-\]: cant be .5 for dame, never heard of it
EagleHelm [11k\]: you do in both you trolls
Shana [3d\]: i got w+10ish
ketchup [5k\]: i dont understand how people get black ahead..
]
;B[kr]C[syllable [1d\]: NZ is like chinese
Beanbag [2d\]: think about it. makes perfect sence
Gay [4d\]: why waste time for counting when SE do it for you...
mianreg [10k?\]: well, same as counting lying stones..
]
;W[ks]
;B[ls]
;W[is]C[Shana [3d\]: cuz SE lies to me
]
;B[lr]C[BattousaiX [-\]: not to me :O
Shana [3d\]: thats why we have broken up
charkysan [5k\]: if you only count the stones on the board, as in chinese rules, the stones on the board are less if some of your stones got captured, so you lose points for lost stones anyway
BattousaiX [-\]: *gasp*
Beanbag [2d\]: cause se dont understand area scoring rules
]
;W[rk]
;B[qs]C[Niouth: W seems better in yose
]
;W[rs]
;B[ps]C[Ag [6k\]: SE just stupid
ketchup [5k\]: o11 so big, but gote :(
]
;W[rq]C[robertm [2d\]: but I wouldn't lie to you and I say B is ahead
zkaje [7k\]: N17?
robertm [2d\]: of course I could just be wrong, but I ouldn't be lying
Shana [3d\]: ur lying to me...
charkysan [5k\]: q1 was sente because of the aji of q5
robertm [2d\]: or lieing even
]
;B[ld]C[Gay [4d\]: why m16 -.-
]
;W[lc]C[firewater [2d?\]: this is weak
GrandYan [-\]: Yeah, why m16...
EagleHelm [11k\]: i don't think its lieing
charkysan [5k\]: game will be won or lost in yose
Ulath [5k\]: n17 seemed to get more points
tianyake [3d\]: N17 for sure
]
;B[ni]C[Shana [3d\]: oh i see why my counting is wrong now xD 
Suicide [7k\]: p10
Gay [4d\]: not so strong ^^
]
;W[ds]C[GrandYan [-\]: Black probably has no time left or something.
Shana [3d\]: time to count again
]
;B[bs]C[tianyake [3d\]: very bad endgame for b
]
;W[ol]C[syllable [1d\]: jigo?
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Kenjiro [1k\]: o10 
ketchup [5k\]: unless komi is given to black
ketchup [5k\]: no way it's jigo :P
]
;B[nj]C[GrandYan [-\]: Black wins jigo, right?
Ag [6k\]: w playing end game
Suicide [7k\]: yes GY
mianreg [10k?\]: du gigot ?
Ag [6k\]: game over
GrandYan [-\]: Thanks.
Suicide [7k\]: np
Ulath [5k\]: miam
mianreg [10k?\]: ^^
Zeid [2d\]: so so..
kuikentje [5k\]: it wouldn't make sense to give an even komi if black wins jigo ... =/
]
;W[pj]C[Ulath [5k\]: :-)
]
;B[mj]C[Tower [3d\]: haha
Zeid [2d\]: ouch
BattousaiX [-\]: o.o
Tower [3d\]: white is dumb
Zeid [2d\]: miss 
Suicide [7k\]: komi is effectively 7.5
takayanagi [4d\]: oO
odnihs [5k\]: lol
mianreg [10k?\]: jeeeeeeez
just9x9 [-\]: enteering so huge
GrandYan [-\]: Huh...
Zoh [?\]: hmm
BattousaiX [-\]: misclick 
]
;W[kk]C[ketchup [5k\]: oh wow
BattousaiX [-\]: xD
ketchup [5k\]: lmao
]
;B[lj]
;W[ki]
;B[kj]
;W[jj]C[BattousaiX [-\]: undo :O
ketchup [5k\]: ahahaha.. omg
Zoh [?\]: ROFL
mianreg [10k?\]: oh no he didn't Oo
Beanbag [2d\]: komi 8 in both NZ and ing rules right?
ketchup [5k\]: zeid was right..
BattousaiX [-\]: he's crazy 
Suicide [7k\]: USGO10, is he crying?
Shana [3d\]: oh yes he did
]
;B[lk]C[Kenjiro [1k\]: k6 
GrandYan [-\]: Now we need to recount...again.
ketchup [5k\]: that's just crazy..
BattousaiX [-\]: maybe this is how u play a won game? XD
]
;W[ll]C[Shana [3d\]: i was in the middle of counting too...
Shana [3d\]: curse them
USGO10 [-\]: no crying here.
BattousaiX [-\]: :(
Suicide [7k\]: aww...
USGO10 [-\]: b is in byo-yomi
Zoh [?\]: Who do you think is gonna win?
Sigilus [19k\]: B
]
;B[gl]C[BattousaiX [-\]: who knows? after that move >.>
Suicide [7k\]: b
Beanbag [2d\]: was it really pointful for w to resist o10?
Zoh [?\]: hmm
Suicide [7k\]: ...'pointful'??
syllable [1d\]: pointful?
]
;W[hl]C[mianreg [10k?\]: painful ?..
hollywood [3k\]: j6
Suicide [7k\]: def painful
Beanbag [2d\]: lokd like w just drew himself gote
]
;B[kg]C[tianyake [3d\]: k6
Suicide [7k\]: O.o B h9
]
;W[kd]C[ketchup [5k\]: hmm maybe white still win..
Zoh [?\]: hmm
ketchup [5k\]: just by less..
Beanbag [2d\]: no way. not after that fiasco
BattousaiX [-\]: poor white :/ he had such a big lead
Zeid [2d\]: ??
Shana [3d\]: hmmm
]
;B[ke]
;W[jd]C[Radley [-\]: dunno, living at the bottom was big too
]
;B[ie]C[BattousaiX [-\]: according to SE he might live
BattousaiX [-\]: *win
BattousaiX [-\]: :P
]
;W[qe]
;B[qd]C[charkysan [5k\]: g6 
Shana [3d\]: i counted w+1.5 xD
Beanbag [2d\]: se doesnt calculate NZ rule properly
Shana [3d\]: i think something is wrong
BattousaiX [-\]: oh >.>
Beanbag [2d\]: or any area scoring rule
]
;W[ip]C[BattousaiX [-\]: xD
]
;B[jq]
;W[jo]C[Beanbag [2d\]: it probably count stoans and all kindsa messed up stuf
Shana [3d\]: any1 else count so i can copy ur answer
Zeid [2d\]: e..
]
;B[lh]C[ketchup [5k\]: w+5!
syllable [1d\]: stoans?
BattousaiX [-\]: :P
Shana [3d\]: ketchup did u count?
]
;W[ji]C[GrandYan [-\]: W+82?
ketchup [5k\]: kinda lol
Shana [3d\]: then i cant copy u
ketchup [5k\]: but it's more than 1.5 i think
takayanagi [4d\]: ...
Hinomorii [1k\]: he used se
mr1234: lol
makoregevr [2d\]: w won in 18 points
mr1234: great job USGO10 :D 
mr1234: No what!?!?!
]
;B[fh]C[csgo [?\]: b n8
ketchup [5k\]: sure i used SE, why not
Shana [3d\]: yuki wanna help me out? xD
BattousaiX [-\]: w+11
Beanbag [2d\]: there finaly f12. 
Hinomorii [1k\]: cause its sux so much that i cant even imagine
]
;W[fi]C[Zeid [2d\]: now w ahead
charkysan [5k\]: l6 
]
;B[nd]C[Zeid [2d\]: k5 qutie big..
just9x9 [-\]: L5 black sente
]
;W[mc]C[GeorgeW [-\]: White is ahead
]
;B[gn]C[zkaje [7k\]: who's no idea?
]
;W[ko]
;B[kp]C[ketchup [5k\]: white was ahead even before n10..
]
;W[ln]C[Shana [3d\]: double sente? xD
BattousaiX [-\]: w has good yose
hollywood [3k\]: w +10
Shana [3d\]: no, b is just bad yose
]
;B[hn]
;W[in]C[Beanbag [2d\]: maby it was just b bad yose
BattousaiX [-\]: :P
]
;B[od]
;W[md]C[syllable [1d\]: http://senseis.xmp.net/?GetStrongAtKibitz
]
;B[oc]C[Zeid [2d\]: e.. i said b was ahead before.. w was not so big at u thought it was
Shana [3d\]: i read that 10 times already
Beanbag [2d\]: but w going q10 is mega bad
Suicide [7k\]: 'why did he just connect 2 dead groups??'
]
;W[ob]C[Shana [3d\]: and i used it in my summer reading as 3 books xD
ketchup [5k\]: zeid.. yes he was..
Zeid [2d\]: ur guess was just according to SE 
ketchup [5k\]: no.
ketchup [5k\]: i actually did count earlier too
]
;B[gd]C[BattousaiX [-\]: so it's easier to score in the end of the game, suicide :P
GeorgeW [-\]: Who're you takling to Zeid
ketchup [5k\]: the fact that you can disagree even now is amazing
]
;W[le]
;B[gc]
;W[gb]C[Shana [3d\]: im sticking by my w+1.5 cuz im too lazy to recount
]
;B[lf]
;W[sj]C[Suicide [7k\]: lol, Batt
Zeid [2d\]: so .. u need some count strategie :)
]
;B[sh]C[hollywood [3k\]: what ateerible name georgew, any game its a war
beit: black is weak
BattousaiX [-\]: counting is for yellerbellies
GeorgeW [-\]: ...
Sigilus [19k\]: Get Strong At Kibitz is awesome
Beanbag [2d\]: counting strategy.. let em count for u
ketchup [5k\]: lol
Zeid [2d\]: do so..
ketchup [5k\]: i tried that, but no one gave me their count :(
Zeid [2d\]: k5 was big for w..
Laeme [2d?\]: maybe he means George Washingtom...
EagleHelm [11k\]: if black is weak i wish i was as weak as black
Ag [6k\]: w by 5+
ketchup [5k\]: so i had to stick with w+
]
;W[mk]
;B[oj]
;W[ok]C[hollywood [3k\]: dont think so
GeorgeW [-\]: Or maybe its my intials...
ketchup [5k\]: while everyone else said b+
Shana [3d\]: nu uh
Shana [3d\]: i always said w+ lol
ketchup [5k\]: cept shana
ketchup [5k\]: indeed
]
;B[fc]C[ketchup [5k\]: the only dan i saw that didnt say b+
]
;W[fb]C[ketchup [5k\]: lol
charkysan [5k\]: t16 
hollywood [3k\]: what a terrible name man
czajan [2d?\]: w+5.5?
GeorgeW [-\]: I said White is ahead
Suicide [7k\]: who uses real names on the internet?
Zeid [2d\]: so?
hollywood [3k\]: sory
GeorgeW [-\]: shut up hollywood
]
;B[gp]C[ketchup [5k\]: i meant earlier gw :)
]
;W[go]C[GeorgeW [-\]: I wasn't here :(
ketchup [5k\]: indeed
GeorgeW [-\]: How old is the junior division
GeorgeW [-\]: under 18?
]
;B[gm]C[ketchup [5k\]: 11
GeorgeW [-\]: oh under 12
]
;W[ba]
;B[ag]C[hollywood [3k\]: enough to start a war
Shana [3d\]: wow
]
;W[se]
;B[sf]C[Shana [3d\]: strong kids...
]
;W[sd]C[BattousaiX [-\]: no kidding
GeorgeW [-\]: doesnt seem so unusual
hafmirakle [-\]: these kids r under 12?
ketchup [5k\]: yes
ketchup [5k\]: both are 11 according to usgo10
]
;B[ld]C[hafmirakle [-\]: god they r 6d and 5d <<
zkaje [7k\]: nize guyz
]
;W[qc]
;B[qe]
;W[le]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: i know Andrew
]
;B[pi]C[Niouth: P11 is the lossin omve
]
;W[pk]
;B[ld]C[EagleHelm [11k\]: he's pretty  awesome
]
;W[hp]
;B[fp]
;W[le]C[odnihs [5k\]: yeah
EagleHelm [11k\]: hey oddness
charkysan [5k\]: r5 
]
;B[jk]C[odnihs [5k\]: hey
]
;W[kl]
;B[ld]C[Sigilus [19k\]: w is very strong yose... don't think B will win now
takayanagi [4d\]: sad... was an easy win for b...
odnihs [5k\]: :(
ketchup [5k\]: ..
]
;W[fn]
;B[en]C[GeorgeW [-\]: Yose is key, I've always said so
Ag [6k\]: b middle small-w big lead
]
;W[le]
;B[ij]C[rs220675 [1k\]: W lead with 20..why isn't B resigning?
ToughNerd [12k\]:  what is yose
]
;W[ii]C[BattousaiX [-\]: what leads to a bad yose? 
]
;B[ld]C[Shana [3d\]: 20?
Edelweiss [-\]: why fighting for a 0,5 ko ?
BattousaiX [-\]: bad aji?
Shana [3d\]: SE LIES!
Suicide [7k\]: Tough: endgame
]
;W[em]C[HappyCat [4k\]: yose means end game
]
;B[fn]
;W[le]
;B[hk]
;W[hj]C[GeorgeW [-\]: more like 9 or 10 rs
]
;B[ld]C[ketchup [5k\]: a19
kuikentje [5k\]: I always fight for the 0.5 ko's
]
;W[aa]
;B[af]C[kuikentje [5k\]: because it's fun
]
;W[le]C[GeorgeW [-\]: but I mean, theres no point in resigning now
Shana [3d\]: they're called manhood kos
ketchup [5k\]: j7
Shana [3d\]: xD
kuikentje [5k\]: and most of the time I have no idea what the score might be
Suicide [7k\]: g10
ketchup [5k\]: lol
rs220675 [1k\]: well the scroe estimator of KGS says W by about 20
Laeme [2d?\]: shuban means endgame, yose means endgame move, I think
]
;B[ik]C[wornof [4k\]: 0.5 point ko when game is decided = manhood ko
]
;W[il]
;B[ld]C[GeorgeW [-\]: the se is wrong
Shana [3d\]: no
Suicide [7k\]: SE broken w/ AGA rules
]
;W[ne]
;B[oe]
;W[le]C[GrandYan [-\]: rs, SE only works with Japanese rules.
BattousaiX [-\]: :P
rs220675 [1k\]: ah i see
ketchup [5k\]: why o15?
EagleHelm [11k\]: black kicks butt
]
;B[gj]
;W[jl]C[Beanbag [2d\]: se doesnt even works with japanese rule tho actualy
Shana [3d\]: his own?
zkaje [7k\]: why not o15?
]
;B[ld]C[adwue [3k\]: b4
Shana [3d\]: lol beanbag we get it
]
;W[es]
;B[le]C[GrandYan [-\]: Well, not if there is a seki. But by the end of the game, it's usually quite accurate.
GeorgeW [-\]: So W+9
charkysan [5k\]: w b4 cannot be ignored.  neither can b r5
]
;W[fd]C[myspersson [8k\]: t13
]
;B[kh]
;W[fq]C[BattousaiX [-\]: wait so what leads to bad yose for a player?
]
;B[bp]
;W[cs]C[GeorgeW [-\]: inattentiveness to details and bad shape
Suicide [7k\]: bad studying of yose strategy
just9x9 [-\]: i get w+12
]
;B[]
;W[]C[ketchup [5k\]: count timeee
odnihs [5k\]: they counting?
BattousaiX [-\]: ah i see
BattousaiX [-\]: here we go :O
myspersson [8k\]: go
BattousaiX [-\]: thanks georgew
GeorgeW [-\]: also underestimation of gote
Shana [3d\]: seems i was right the first time when i said w+10ish lol
kyuboy [9k\]: gg for white?
BattousaiX [-\]: gg for both >.>
kyuboy [9k\]: O.O
Sigilus [19k\]: r5 no good now?
USGO10 [-\]: They both think b has lost. Hugh says w got to much in the upper right corner.
kyuboy [9k\]: white is winning
rs220675 [1k\]: with how much W wins?
Niouth: W+9
myspersson [8k\]: O.o
ketchup [5k\]: both of them sighed too much for it to be good game
BattousaiX [-\]: true
hafmirakle [-\]: if w + 10 ish then gg for black
ketchup [5k\]: yesterday they were having fun!
Suicide [7k\]: USGO, what does the score tool say?
kuikentje [5k\]: white's reduction of the bottom was awesome
mianreg [10k?\]: http://www.geocities.com/bergsegoclub/images/nigiri_front.jp%67
myspersson [8k\]: <.>
Edelweiss [-\]: go for noobs : get strong at gote play
USGO10 [-\]: they are counting
kuikentje [5k\]: the score tool says white +9
EagleHelm [11k\]: yay for flowers Edelweiss!
myspersson [8k\]: count on the board
mianreg [10k?\]: with very interesting play-and-die pbs 
Edelweiss [-\]: xD
mianreg [10k?\]: :oP
Ag [6k\]: SE-w by 18
BattousaiX [-\]: get strong at nigiri? o.O
myspersson [8k\]: :O
kyuboy [9k\]: :O
mianreg [10k?\]: oui ^^
kyuboy [9k\]: ^_^
Edelweiss [-\]: go for noobs : how to make dead groups alive
BattousaiX [-\]: wow i gotta get that book, i'm sure shusaku used it to get black so many times :P
Shana [3d\]: u dont
odnihs [5k\]: you mean alive groups dead?
Sigilus [19k\]: rather, how to make live groups dead
EagleHelm [11k\]: sigilus shut up
EagleHelm [11k\]: lol
Edelweiss [-\]: or how to kill living groups
USGO10 [-\]: w + 9
myspersson [8k\]: rather make dead groups alive
t0Strong4u [-\]: cool
fsong2 [1d\]: yay
odnihs [5k\]: gratz to hugh@
odnihs [5k\]: !
GeorgeW [-\]: Don't doubt my count :P
EagleHelm [11k\]: suicide 
GrandYan [-\]: Thank you, USGO10.
fsong2 [1d\]: go hugh!Q
Suicide [7k\]: hm?
odnihs [5k\]: thanks for broadcasting
odnihs [5k\]: :)
BattousaiX [-\]: thank you USGO10
t0Strong4u [-\]: Zeid.....looks like the 7k beat you
myspersson [8k\]: thx
kuikentje [5k\]: thanks again for the effort you put in to this
EagleHelm [11k\]: you rock usgo10!
Shana [3d\]: i learned something xD always stick with my first answer
Suicide [7k\]: lol
BattousaiX [-\]: *cheers for USGO10!*
ketchup [5k\]: thanks usgo10 for the broadcastign
Suicide [7k\]: even if it's hopelessly wrong ^_^
BattousaiX [-\]: xD
t0Strong4u [-\]: thank you USGO100
Suicide [7k\]: thanks USGO
t0Strong4u [-\]: 10
t0Strong4u [-\]: **
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